Episode 13: Let it Go

let it go

For people who have trouble sleeping, sleep can seem elusive. People can get in to a pattern of chasing sleep, trying ever harder to get everything just right in the hope of getting better sleep. However, the pathway to better sleep is often through letting go and being less careful about sleep. We discuss letting go of rules and behaviours around sleep, and are joined by Nathan Butler of Active Health Clinic who discusses a similar approach used in fatigue syndromes.

Dr Moira Junge (Health Psychologist) and Dr David Cunnington (Sleep Physician) host the monthly podcast, Sleep Talk, talking all things sleep.

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Audio Timeline:

  • 00:00 – 00:29 Introduction
  • 00:29 –  02:18 Vale Prof Nick Antic
  • 02:18 – 05:20 What’s news in sleep?
  • 05:20 –  16:10 Theme – Let it Go
  • 16:10 – 24:09 Guest interview – Nathan Butler: Letting go in chronic fatigue syndrome
  • 24:09 – 28:55 More information on letting go / managing sleep in the holidays
  • 28:55 – 34:28 Clinical tip of the month – Think about language
  • 29:30 – 30:35 Tip of the month: Moira – Language around sleep is important
  • 30:35 – 31:56 Pick of the month: David – Insomniac – Book
  • 31:56 – 33:13 What’s coming up in the next month?

Next episode (January 2nd 2017): Setting goals for health and sleep

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Guest interviews:

nathan butlerNathan Butler is an accredited exercise physiologist with 14 years experience working as the coordinator of specialist inpatient and outpatient programs at the Austin Hospital in Melbourne and at the Royal Free Hospital in London in the areas of CFS as well as cardiac, respiratory and orthopaedic rehabilitaion. Whilst in the UK Nathan was involved in the PACE study which investigated treatment modalities for CFS and the study was recently published in the Lancet. In 2008 Nathan established Active Health Clinic with his values of long term self management through knowledge, compassion and trust leading to Active Health Clinic being a leader in it’s field.

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Regular hosts:

Dr Moira Junge

Dr Moira Junge is a health psychologist working in the sleep field, who has considerable experience working with people with sleeping difficulties in a multidisciplinary practice using a team-based approach. Moira has consulted at Melbourne Sleep Disorders Centre since 2008, and is actively involved with the Australasian Sleep Association (ASA). She has presented numerous workshops for psychologists wanting to learn more about sleep disorders, and is involved with Monash University with teaching and supervision commitments, as well as clinical involvement with the Monash University Healthy Sleep Clinic. She is one of the clinic directors at Yarraville Health Group which was established in 1998. In addition to her expertise in sleep disorders, her other areas of interest and expertise include smoking cessation, psychological adjustment to chronic illness, and grief and loss issues.

Dr David CunningtonDr David Cunnington is a sleep physician and director of Melbourne Sleep Disorders Centre, and co-founder and contributor to SleepHub. David trained in sleep medicine both in Australia and in the United States, at Harvard Medical School, and is certified as both an International Sleep Medicine Specialist and International Behavioural Sleep Medicine Specialist. David’s clinical practice covers all areas of sleep medicine and he is actively involved in training health professionals in sleep. David is a regular media commentator on sleep, both in traditional media and social media, and blogs for the Huffington Post on sleep. David’s recent research has been in the area of non-drug, psychologically-based treatments such as cognitive behavioral therapy and mindfulness in managing insomnia, restless legs syndrome and other sleep disorders.

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